From ts@uwasa.fi Fri Mar  8 06:46:17 1991
From: Timo Salmi <ts@uwasa.fi>
Message-Id: <9103080446.AA12054@uwasa.fi>
Subject: The /pc/pd2/post03.txt file description
To: ts (Timo Salmi)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 99 6:46:16 EET
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Status: OR

+---------------------------------------------------------------+
! This file is in mail format, so you can also read it with any !
! suitable Unix mail program such as elm: (elm -f post03.txt).  !
! Or try /pc/mail/rmail##.zip to read on a PC                   !
+---------------------------------------------------------------+

   This is the third file that contains my replies and comments that
I or others have made by email, or just written here instead of
posting to (mainly to) comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d, or postings that I
wanted to retain for your information.  The previous files of the
series are post01.txt and post02.txt in the /pc/pd2 directory.
   Note that the latest post##.txt is always being updated until it
contains 30 messages.

1   Dec 31 Timo Salmi         (32)   The /pc/pd2/post03.txt file descript
2   Aug 5  Keith Petersen     (33)   Mail alias for Chuck Forsberg
3   Aug 4  To Andrew Rossmann (43)   Re: TSUTIL32
4   Aug 3  To Frank Fujita    (33)   Re: Cannot unzip a file (Was Re: Key
5   Aug 1  To Robert Chann    (66)   Re: Garbo policy questions
6   Jul 28 To Francis Ho      (34)   Re: UNIX tools for the PC ??
7   Jul 25 To Greg Montgomery (29)   Re: Readmail
8   Jul 24 To where-is posers (35)   Finding particular MsDos programs
9   Jul 24 Keith Petersen     (34)   SIMTEL20 upload announcements
10  Jul 22 To MAGRW@Levels.Un (36)   Re: Pascal oriented editors?
11  Jul 21 Timo Salmi         (39)   Re: news articels in elm?
12  Jul 20 Dan Kenny, Network (90)   Re: Who pays for FTP (Was Re: List o
13  Jul 16 Keith Petersen     (53)   Re: Good comm. program needed...reco
14  Jul 13 Timo Salmi         (82)   Visiting the ZOO at 2:10
15  Jul 12 To David Baggett   (62)   Re: Group for announcing FTP uploads
16  Jul 12 To Mike McCombs    (37)   Re: Compliments on garbo
17  Jul 11 Raymond Chen       (40)   IMPORTANT:  The comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
18  Jul 11 Harri Valkama      (32)   Re: Reply from Garbo-Archive re: inv
19  Jul 4  Harri Valkama      (55)   Re: Amazing success
20  Jul 4  To Fernando Q. Gou (98)   Re: spelling checkers
21  Jun 29 Timo Salmi         (27)   From weekly to monthly list
22  Jun 29 To Lukas Zeller    (36)   Re: Thanks for your hint
23  Jun 28 Timo Salmi         (101)  It is time to put c.b.i.p reorganiza
24  Jun 25 To Ryan Tanner     (46)   Re: Last week's garbo.uwasa.fi downl
25  Jun 24 To Niklas Hallqvis (51)   Re: win3-nfs author?
26  Jun 24 To Sigurgeir Jonss (49)   Re: Garbo mailing list
27  Jun 20 To nyh@GAUSS.TECHN (86)   Re: Compressors
28  Jun 20 To koerber.sin@sni (35)   Re: LPT redirect to file?
29  Jun 18 Timo Salmi         (33)   Farewell from garbo archives to c.b.
30  Jun 14 To garbo users     (97)   Whom should you call?

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


From ts@uwasa.fi Fri 14 Jun 23:10:00 EET 1991
Subject: Whom should you call?
To: garbo users
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 91 23:10:00 EET DST
Status: OR

(Take a look at the updated /pc/pd2/whoiswho.txt)

Who's Who and Whom Should You Call on uwasa.fi Archives
=======================================================

By Prof. Timo Salmi, Sun 14-Jul-1991

University of Vaasa, Finland, node number 128.214.87.1
(garbo.uwasa.fi), a MIPS R2030 workstation, has a large collection
of PD and shareware programs which are available by anonymous ftp
(file transfer program) and mail server.  This file gives
information on the moderators of garbo archives, and their
specialities so that you would know who to contact with your
potential queries already to begin with.  (There is more information
for uploaders in /pc/UPLOAD.INF which you should see before
uploading to garbo.uwasa.fi archives).

Site:           garbo.uwasa.fi
IP:             128.214.87.1
Location:       University of Vaasa, Finland
Main areas:     msdos, win3, ts-progs, unix
Moderator(s):   Timo Salmi, ts@uwasa.fi, salmi@finfun.bitnet
                Harri Valkama, hv@garbo.uwasa.fi  (+ garbo system mgr)
                Hannu Hirvonen, hh@chyde.uwasa.fi (+ chyde system mgr)

Timo Salmi ts@chyde.uwasa.fi
----------

A general note:
  Timo moderates part of the files at garbo, but is not a system
  manager.  System management and related problems are taken care by
  Harri and Hannu who are computer personnel by profession.
  (Ordinarily, Timo is a prof of Accounting and Business Finance).

Main interests:
 - garbo.uwasa.fi publicity (in particular MsDos utilities and
   reviews)

Special interests:
 - Turbo Pascal (5.0) programs: the /pc/ts program collection
 - Collecting high quality MsDos utility programs to garbo archives

Areas somewhat outside scope:
 - Unix related problems

Areas totally outside scope (please direct these questions to the
fellow moderators):
 - All Mac files related questions
 - All Windows files related questions
 - All Unix X-windows files questions
 - Problems with uwasa.fi email and IP addresses
 - Problems connecting to garbo.uwasa.fi archives
 - Technical problems with garbo mail server
...................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous ftp archives 128.214.87.1
School of Business Studies, University of Vaasa, SF-65101, Finland
Internet: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Funet: gado::salmi Bitnet: salmi@finfun


Harri Valkama hv@garbo.uwasa.fi (also root@garbo.uwasa.fi)
-------------

Main interests:
 - garbo.uwasa.fi ftp archive maintenance
 - garbo.uwasa.fi mail-server maintenance
 - garbo.uwasa.fi system management

Special interests include:
 - Unix and X11 files

--
== Harri Valkama, University of Vaasa, Finland ============================
 P.O. Box 700, 65101 VAASA, Finland (tel:+358 61 248426 fax:+358 61 248465)
 Anon ftp garbo.uwasa.fi (128.214.87.1) & nic.funet.fi (128.214.6.100)
 hv@uwasa.fi hv@finfiles.bitnet /s=hv/o=uwasa/prdm=inet/amdm=fumail/c=fi


Hannu Hirvonen hh@chyde.uwasa.fi
--------------

Main interests:
 - chyde.uwasa.fi system manager and postmaster, i.e. our foremost
   system manager extraordinaire
 - VAX/VMS files

Special interests include:
 - Unix and X11 files

--
    Hannu Hirvonen, Computer Centre, U of Vaasa  !  P.O. BOX 297
    hh@uwasa.fi, HIRVONEN@FINFUN.bitnet          !  SF-65101 Vaasa, Finland

From ts@uwasa.fi Tue Jun 18 11:47:42 EET 1991
Article: 11637 of comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d
Newsgroups: comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d
Path: uwasa.fi!ts
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Farewell from garbo archives to c.b.i.p.d
Message-ID: <1991Jun18.084046.15241@uwasa.fi>
Sender: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 91 08:40:46 GMT
Status: OR

The announcements from garbo.uwasa.fi archives and the relevant
discussions will move to the new newsgroup
comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives as soon as it is publicly available.

My sincere thanks to comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d readers for many
interesting moments.  I will shift my attention to the two new
newsgroups, and take my "act" there.

I hope to see many of the FTP and mail server users in there with
this new organization which I hope will help us all to keep things
better organized.

   All the best, Timo

...................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous ftp archives 128.214.87.1
School of Business Studies, University of Vaasa, SF-65101, Finland
Internet: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Funet: gado::salmi Bitnet: salmi@finfun


From ts@uwasa.fi Thu Jun 20 12:44:08 1991
Return-Path: <ts>
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 91 12:43:55 +0300
To: koerber.sin@sni.de
Subject: Re: LPT redirect to file?
Newsgroups: comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Status: OR

In article <2002@nixsin.UUCP> you write:
>A colleague asked me today, if I had a program that can redirect LPT output
>into a file instead. Unfortunately I don't have, but I hope someone on the
>net might have one lying around. I guess it will have to be a TSR which
>grabs the print interrupt. I have looked thru my list of SIMTEL's files, but
>found nothing that promised to do the job. But I know that sometimes I'm
>blind :-)
>
>aTdHvAaNnKcSe
>Mathias

Hello Mathias,
   Have you looked at /pc/ts/tsfaq21.arc Frequently Asked Questions?
   All the best, Timo

...................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous ftp archives 128.214.87.1
School of Business Studies, University of Vaasa, SF-65101, Finland
Internet: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Funet: gado::salmi Bitnet: salmi@finfun

From ts@uwasa.fi Thu Jun 20 22:32:00 1991
Return-Path: <ts@uwasa.fi>
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 91 22:31:40 +0300
To: nyh@GAUSS.TECHNION.AC.IL
Subject: Re: Compressors
Newsgroups: comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d
In-Reply-To: <10002@discus.technion.ac.il>
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Status: OR

In article <10002@discus.technion.ac.il> you write:
>I have tested 10 of the most availiable compressors (all of which can be
>downloaded from garbo.uwasa.fi). For the archived files I arbitarily chose
>pak's distribution file, which contains docs,exes, and other files, all
>together 203497 bytes. I've classified the compressors by the number of
>bytes after the compression.
>Extention      Compressor      Size after compression  Rank
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>.arj           arj -jm         85907                   Great
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>.lzh           lha             89594                   Very good
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>.hyp           hyper           94250                   Good
>.zip           pkzip           94635                   Good
>.pak           pak             95554                   Good
>.lzh           lharc           95981                   Good
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>.arc           pkpak           124013                  Bad
>.dwc           dwc             124013                  Bad
>.zoo           zoo             126182                  Bad
>.arc           arc             128299                  Bad
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Notice the great difference between the compressors I've classified as Bad,
>and the others. Zoo, which ranks one of the lowest, is the compressor most
>widely used in the c.b.i.p group. Also, pkzip, the form most widely used in
>ftp sites, is only the fourth out of ten, which a very big difference between
>it and arj.
>Therefore, I suggest ftp sites should use the arj format, instead any of the
>others. I know it is hard work converting all the files to arj, so the sites
>can make all new archives in the arj format.
>I know that someone might say that arj doesn't work on a UNIX computer. well,
>this is true, at least until Robert Jung will make a UNIX version. Until then,
>there is zip, for which there is UNIX source, and is a lot better then zoo,
>which is used in c.b.i.p. Also, someone might say that although arj is better
>than zip, it uncompresses somewhat slower than zip. Well, this is irellevent to
>me. When I get a program from an ftp site, I don't care if it takes 30 or 60
>seconds to unpack. also, I don't really need to unpack it on a UNIX machine
>because it wouldn't run on it anyway!
>The best solution is for Robert Jung to make a UNIX arj. But still, even
>if he doesn't, I think arj should be the prefered archiver for ftp sites.
>Also, arj is the most complete archiver I have ever seen - It has many
>options, and very complex. If anyone thinks that arj should not be the
>preferred archiver, he can post a reply. Maybe some site admistrators could
>post a reply, why they prefer using other archivers.
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Nadav Har'El                                         nyh@gauss.technion.ac.il
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------


Hello Nadav,
   I am very pleased at the interest shown in the maintenace of FTP
sites, and naturally welcome your suggestion.  However, this has
been discussed previously at several occasions, and the reply has
not changed.  Converting the files at an FTP site to another format
is a _major_ effort.  The benefits would have to be really
significant to warrant the effort involved.  We use several formats
at garbo archives (since files come in in the various formats) but I
prefer keeping .zip our principal method unless something truly
revolutional comes along.  And nothing such is in the sights at the
moment.  I also often recommend to users to utilize archive shells
like /pc/arcers/shez62.zip which make the handling easy on a PC
whatever the archiving method.
   All the best, Timo

...................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous ftp archives 128.214.87.1
School of Business Studies, University of Vaasa, SF-65101, Finland
Internet: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Funet: gado::salmi Bitnet: salmi@finfun


From ts@uwasa.fi Mon Jun 24 08:02:02 1991
Subject: Re: Garbo mailing list
To: sigurgoj@tharkas.is (Sigurgeir Jonsson)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 91 8:02:02 EET DST
In-Reply-To: <NLB142w163w@tharkas.is>; from "Sigurgeir Jonsson" at Jun 23, 91 7:23 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Status: OR

>
> Hi Timo
>
> I have used garbo for some time now, and I must say I'm very pleased with
> the generosity and hard work of your University and yourself to keep this
> excellent service going.

Hello Sigurgeir,
   I'm very pleased to hear this.  Always appreciated.

> Well, I have a question for you.  Do you have some sort of a mailing list
> that sends on a regular basis, list of all new files that have been put on
> garbo?   Or do I have to take "the list" of new files since ??/??-91
> If such mailing list doesn't exits how about creating one?

Yes I have a Garbo infolist mailing list.  Would you please see
/pc/pd2/0mailist.txt for more information on this list.  Note,
howvever, that we do not announce all our uploads, so you'll find
/pc/_files.in useful, anyway.

Incidentally, at the time of writing this, there are 22 recipients
on Garbo infolist.

> Just an idea.

Your having independently the idea corroborates the need of having
such a list.

> And thx again for my usage of garbo.
>
> Best Regards from Iceland
>    Sigurgeir Jonsson

   All the best, Timo

...................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous ftp archives 128.214.87.1
School of Business Studies, University of Vaasa, SF-65101, Finland
Internet: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Funet: gado::salmi Bitnet: salmi@finfun

From ts@uwasa.fi Mon Jun 24 20:24:36 1991
Subject: Re: win3-nfs author?
To: niklas@appli.se (Niklas Hallqvist)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 91 20:24:36 EET DST
Cc: hv@uwasa.fi (Harri Valkama)
In-Reply-To: <m0jruCw-0000rWC@nix.appli.se>; from "Niklas Hallqvist" at Jun 24, 91 4:56 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Status: OR

>       Hello!
>
>       I'm sorry to disturb you, but before I waste net bandwith
> with my qustion, I thought I might ask you if you know who has
> written win3-nfs, a MS-DOS tool to make PCNFS run cleaner under
> Windows 3.  The reason I ask you is due to, your signature in the
> ZIP archive.
>                                       Thanks
>                                       Niklas
>
> Niklas Hallqvist      Phone: +46-(0)31-40 75 00
> Applitron Datasystem  Fax:   +46-(0)31-83 39 50
> Molndalsvagen 95      Email: niklas@appli.se
> S-412 63  GOTEBORG, Sweden     mcsun!sunic!chalmers!appli!niklas

Hello Niklas,
   No disturbance, at all.  The question is welcome.  To answer it.
Sorry, yours is a common, and understandable misunderstanding.  I
moderate (= manage) garbo.uwasa.fi archives with my fellow moderator
Harri Valkama hv@uwasa.fi.  The .zip comment (present in most if not
all our .zips) indicate this fact.  I have had nothing to do with
the creation of the utilities in question.  Altering the .zip
comment (it is called that rather than a signature) to reflect the
archivice site is a common usage at BBSes, and I have adopted it to
garbo.uwasa.fi archives.
   You see, it is like this.  I don't use Windows myself.  Thus, in
fact, I haven't ever even looked at the package in question.  All
our Windows files are managed by Harri.
   There are, of course, MsDos packages where I would know the
author, but the best natural place to start is the original
documentation, and the .zip comment is not that.  I am not saying
that this .zip commenting is a good practice, but that is the turn
things have taken.
   All the best, Timo

...................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous ftp archives 128.214.87.1
School of Business Studies, University of Vaasa, SF-65101, Finland
Internet: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Funet: gado::salmi Bitnet: salmi@finfun


From ts@uwasa.fi Tue Jun 25 07:55:46 1991
Subject: Re: Last week's garbo.uwasa.fi download statistics
To: tannerr@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (Ryan Tanner)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 91 7:55:46 EET DST
Cc: hv@uwasa.fi (Harri Valkama)
In-Reply-To: <9106250350.AA25047@prism.CS.ORST.EDU>; from "Ryan Tanner" at Jun 24, 91 8:50 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Status: OR

>
> In comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives you write:
>
> >With the introduction of comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives I intend to
> >see about resuming publishing one of the weekly garbo.uwasa.fi
> >download statistics.  As some readers may recall this was not liked
> >by all in comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d, but the new .c.b.i.p.a newsgroup
> >is specialized for purposes such as this.
>
> >Why publish such statistics.  Because I feel that users will benefit
> >from seeing what is currently popular, and may thus also get ideas
> >what they need.  Also uploaders will probably be interested to see
> >how their goods fare.
>
> Here's my response: I think that this is a good idea.  How often do you
> plan to post these?  I think >= once a month would be good.
>
> Ryan (tannerr@prism.cs.orst.edu)
>

Hello Ryan,
   Thank you for the feedback.  It is useful also from the point of
view that it demonstrates that the postings in the new newsgroup
comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives reach the readers.
   The download statistics (/pc/filelist/dload##.lst) has been run
weekly, sinse it takes up a a hefty amount of diskspace in building
up.  But perhaps I may have to consider going monthly, though,
depending on the feedback.  We'll have to wait and see.
   All the best, Timo

...................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous ftp archives 128.214.87.1
School of Business Studies, University of Vaasa, SF-65101, Finland
Internet: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Funet: gado::salmi Bitnet: salmi@finfun


From ts@uwasa.fi Fri Jun 28 09:19:53 1991
Return-Path: <ts@uwasa.fi>
Received: by uwasa.fi (4.1/(hh)29May89)
        id AA22670; Fri, 28 Jun 91 08:46:31 +0300
From: Timo Salmi <ts@uwasa.fi>
Message-Id: <9106280546.AA22670@uwasa.fi>
Subject: It is time to put c.b.i.p reorganization into practice (fwd)
To: Garbo infolist
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 91 8:46:30 EET DST
Cc: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane),
        sixhub!davidsen@crdgw1.ge.com (Wm E. Davidsen Jr)
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Status: OR

Forwarded message:
>From ts@uwasa.fi Fri Jun 28 08:44:00 EET 1991
Article: 14 of comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives
Xref: uwasa.fi comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives:14 comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted:30 comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d:11894
Newsgroups: comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives,comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted,comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d
Path: uwasa.fi!ts
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: It is time to put c.b.i.p reorganization into practice
Message-ID: <1991Jun28.050626.22067@uwasa.fi>
Followup-To: comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d
Sender: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 91 05:06:26 GMT

1. comp.binaries.ibm.pc newsgroup descriptions revisited

The reorganization of comp.binaries.ibm.pc discussion subgroups came
into effect the 23rd of June 1991.  I'll take the liberty of quoting
from Bob's (Sloane) posting (later down) that has the information.
All users should take a note of this reorganization in selecting a
comp.binaries.ibm.pc discussion newsgroup, and try to post only to
the appropriate newsgroup.

If you are not yet getting the new subgroups
  comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives
  comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted
please contact your system manager.


2. Let's normally not crosspost to the comp.binaries.ibm.pc subgroups

At the same time I would like to draw you attention to one logical
homemade rule, which we agreed upon when the reorganization came
into effect with Bill (Davidsen), Keith (Petersen), and Bob
(Sloane).  This rule is that with the natural exception of
administrative postings like this one, let us avoid crossposting to
comp.binaries.ibm.pc groups, because that would defeat the purpose
of these groups.  (Note that this does not concern crossposting to a
c.b.i.p group, and another group, when appropriate).


>From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
>Subject: CFV:  comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d reorganization
>Date: 27 May 91 04:17:51 GMT
:
>   comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives, and
>   comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted
:
>These groups are being created to reduce the volume of traffic in the
>group comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d, to better organize the material that is
>currently posted to c.b.i.p.d and to make it easier for people to find
>what they are looking for.  The new groups would have the following
>charters.
>
>comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives:
>
>  This group would be used to post announcements related to archive sites
>  for ibm pc and compatible binary files.  Appropriate articles would
>  include such topics as announcements of new binaries available,
>  connectivity problems with archive sites, and bug/problem reports
>  concerning programs from archive sites. Requests concerning where
>  particular programs are available would not be appropriate, and should
>  be posted to the c.b.i.p.wanted group instead.
>
>comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted:
>
>  This group would be used to post requests/replies concerning where to
>  find ibm pc or compatible programs.  Topics would include requests for
>  missing parts of binaries posted to comp.binaries.ibm.pc and requests
>  for specific programs.
>
>The existing comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d would be used for discussions about
>the actual programs posted to comp.binaries.ibm.pc, such as bug reports
>(but not articles about missing parts) or requests about how to use the
>programs.
>--
>USmail: Bob Sloane, University of Kansas Computer Center, Lawrence, KS, 66045
>E-mail: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu, sloane@ukanvax.bitnet, AT&T: (913)864-0444

...................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous ftp archives 128.214.87.1
School of Business Studies, University of Vaasa, SF-65101, Finland
Internet: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Funet: gado::salmi Bitnet: salmi@finfun



From ts@uwasa.fi Sat Jun 29 01:05:18 1991
Subject: Re: Thanks for your hint
To: zeller@bernina.ethz.ch (Lukas Zeller)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 91 1:05:18 EET DST
In-Reply-To: <9106281848.AA00259@uwasa.fi>; from "Lukas Zeller" at Jun 28, 91 8:48 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

>
> Dear Mr.Salmi,
>
> I'd like to thank you for the hint you gave me as an answer to my
> request for "language learning programs". I could download the
> package from garbo.uwasa.fi and the programs work fine!
> Thanks a lot!
>
>
> ==========================  +---------------------------+  *****************
>       Lukas Zeller          |\         E-Mail:         /|  * Never trust a *
>  ETH Zurich, Switzerland    | \_______________________/ |  *   computer    *
>   (SFIT, Swiss Federal      |  /  zeller@ethz.UUCP   \  |  *  bigger than  *
>  Institute of Technology)   | / ..chx400!ethz!zeller  \ |  * you  can lift *
> ==========================  +---------------------------+  *****************
>

Hello Lukas,
   I am pleased to hear that you have obviously found my
wordgame.exe in /pc/ts/tsgmec11.arc useful.
   All the best, Timo

...................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous ftp archives 128.214.87.1
School of Business Studies, University of Vaasa, SF-65101, Finland
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From ts@uwasa.fi Sat Jun 29 03:21:05 1991
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Subject: From weekly to monthly list
To: Garbo infolist
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 91 3:03:08 EET DST
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Hello Friends of Garbo infolist,
   I case you are wondering why my weekly annotated garbo Fri to Fri
download list has not yet come out, the reason is that I have
decided to try a monthly list instead.  The other, unannotated
dowload stats (Mon-Mon) which is emailed to you, but not posted to
comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives, will stay as it is.
   All the best, Timo

...................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous ftp archives 128.214.87.1
School of Business Studies, University of Vaasa, SF-65101, Finland
Internet: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Funet: gado::salmi Bitnet: salmi@finfun


From ts@uwasa.fi Thu Jul  4 09:09:18 1991
Subject: Re: spelling checkers
To: gouvea@heac.mast.QueensU.CA (Fernando Q. Gouvea)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 91 9:09:18 EET DST
In-Reply-To: <9107040013.AA13864@heac.mast.QueensU.CA>; from "Fernando Q. Gouvea" at Jul 3, 91 8:13 pm
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>Prof. Salmi:
>
>I've recently been fishing around for a decent spelling checker to use
>on my PC (mostly with TeX) files, and chanced to look at your two
>offerings in this direction.  They look good, though I really haven't
>tested them much.  I'm still not sure whether I prefer speller.exe or
>spell.exe, or whether I'd like to go with something even more sophisticated
>(on the lines of ispell on unix).  I did want to know about registration (a
>personal license):  what is the fee?  Also, I wanted to point out that your
>comment about spelling being case-independent is not strictly true:
>"american" and "i" are certainly mis-spellings.
>
>                               Best,
>                               Fernando Q. Gouvea
>                               gouvea@heac.mast.queensu.ca
>
>(Alternate addresses: gouveaf@colby.edu, gouvea@math.harvard.edu,
>gouvea@huma1.bitnet)

Hello Fernando,
   Thank you for your email.  Having looked at various spelling
checkers I personally prefer spell.exe (from /pc/ts/tschek12.arc)
for my own spelling checking on MsDos.  I use the bacth form
(included in the package) and I find the use easy and convenient.
   You are naturally right about the "American" and "I", that is the
case issue.
   As to the registration, I'll include the registration information
of another program of mine (Linear Programming).  The information
goes as such for the spelling checkers.  Note that if you wish to
continue using my spelling checkers for your own private purposes,
no registration is expected.  It is asked only if you wish have the
full version, or use the programs at a business enterprise or at a
university for work which you get paid.  (The logic is that then
the employer should pay for your tools).
   All the best, Timo

----------------------- prerecorded ------------------------------

Dear User,

Thank you for your interest in my linsolve.exe linear programming
and linear goal programming package.

If you want to purchase a registered version (which allows the
larger 80x120 problems) the price of the site license is $200 for
business firms and $100 for universities.  Or, if you wish to
purchase an individual copy, this option is priced at $50.  An
individually registered copy must be not be running on more than one
computer at a time.  A site licensed copy may be run on an unlimited
number of PCs, but only at the site of the license.  The
registration will appear at the bottom of the screen as a one line
text, and will act as your license.

Payment is in advance of delivery by check on my name, preferably
drawn on a Finnish bank.  First please add a provision for a 60%
Finnish tax, by multiplying the price by 1.5.  Then add $5 for media
and postage.  Also add 0.25% on the total for foreign check
transaction costs applied by Finnish banks.  If the 0.25% is less
than $4.50, then add $4.50.  Thus:

                           Personal   University   Business
                  program  $50.00     $100.00      $200.00
            tax provision  $75.00     $150.00      $300.00
           disk + postage  $ 5.00     $  5.00      $  5.00
                           ------     -------      -------
                          $130.00     $255.00      $505.00
   Finnish banking charges  $4.50     $  4.50      $  4.50
                           ------     -------      -------
   Total                  $134.50     $259.50      $509.50

If you wish to pay in Finnish marks, please multiply all the $
figures by 5.

Please note that the program will be delivered on a 3.5" 720Kb
diskette upon the receipt of the check.  I am aware that these are
unusual conditions, but I am doing this on a very small-scale case
basis rather than a fully fledged shareware operation.

The author shall not be liable to the user for any direct, indirect
or consequential loss arising from the use of, or inability to use,
any program or file howsoever caused.

Please note that the purchase price covers the right of using the
program as is.  It does not include any separate user support.

...................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous ftp archives 128.214.87.1
School of Business Studies, University of Vaasa, SF-65101, Finland
Internet: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Funet: gado::salmi Bitnet: salmi@finfun

From hv@garbo.uwasa.fi Thu Jul  4 21:50:16 1991
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Subject: Re: Amazing success
To: rabbe@infolog.se (Rabbe Fogelholm)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 91 18:50:04 EET
Cc: ts@garbo.uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi, B219, 248274, )
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> I have been using LHARC under MS-DOS for some time, and recently I
> learned that there is a Unix version of LHARC in your software
> archive.
>
> So, I requested unix/arcers/lharcsrc.zoo, plus zoo201.tar.Z in order to
> unpack the first.
>
> Both files arrived in fine shape, that is some 15 uuencoded letters.
> After gathering the pieces, uudecoding, compressing, and tar-extracting
> I had a directory of zoo software. I ran the 'mkbsd' command, which
> completed with non-severe warnings, producing a 'zoo' executable.
> Using it, I expanded the lharcsrc.zoo archive, and ran a 'make' with no
> switches. This finally produced an lharc executable.  As a preliminary
> test, I was able to list the contents of an existing LHARC archive,
> producedby the MS-DOS version of LHARC.
>
> All this was done on an Apollo, running DOMAIN/IX 9.7.5. It emulates
> BSD Unix, but there is usually the odd problem or two when compiling
> "portable" software on it. Not so this time. I must say I am deeply
> impressed!
>
> Regards,
>
> Rabbe Fogelholm

Always nice to get some positive feedback. Thanks.

> ________________________________________________________________________
> Rabbe Fogelholm, Infologics AB     rabbe@infolog.se    fax: +46 8 960846
>


--
== Harri Valkama, University of Vaasa, Finland ============================
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From hv@garbo.uwasa.fi Thu Jul 11 19:52:19 1991
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Subject: Re: Reply from Garbo-Archive re: invalid request(s)
To: mailserv@garbo.uwasa.fi (Garbo Mail Server)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 91 16:52:11 EET
Cc: ts@garbo.uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi, B219, 248274, )
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>
> The following requests could not be honored. Sorry.
>
>         send help
>
> For help, send the message "send help" to the server.
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Whats the matter ?
> Thanks,
>

Probably  your Subject line  was  wrong. Or  if not  then  the body of
message contained something else than this quoted only.

-harri-

From fuug!mcsun!uunet!spool.mu.edu!agate!sunkist.berkeley.edu!raymond Thu Jul 11 23:12:11 EET 1991
Article: 158 of comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives
Xref: uwasa.fi comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:9289 comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d:12112 comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives:158
Path: uwasa.fi!fuug!mcsun!uunet!spool.mu.edu!agate!sunkist.berkeley.edu!raymond
From: raymond@math.berkeley.edu (Raymond Chen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d,comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives
Subject: IMPORTANT:  The comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc archives have disappeared
Message-ID: <1991Jul11.192509.17433@agate.berkeley.edu>
Date: 11 Jul 91 19:25:09 GMT
Expires: Thu, 15 Aug 1991 01:00:00 GMT
Sender: usenet@agate.berkeley.edu (USENET Administrator)
Reply-To: raymond@math.berkeley.edu (Raymond Chen)
Organization: U.C. Berkeley
Lines: 22
Originator: raymond@sunkist.berkeley.edu

EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, the archives at math.princeton.edu have shut
down, for administrative reasons.  This means that there is no longer
ftp or email access to the files.

Unless somebody steps forward to volunteer an ftp site or an email
server, the archives are gone forever.  This includes the monthly
Frequently Asked Questions file, which I will NO LONGER be posting at
the start of every month.  Also gone are the index lookup service, the
`products' file, the `old questions' file, and the `Answers to More
Questions' file.

If you redistribute the monthly Frequently Asked Questions file or any
other document that mentions the archives or the mail server at
rjc@math.princeton.edu, please remove all references to the archives
from the document.

At this point, it is traditional for me to say what a pleasure it's
been to serve you for the past 18 months, though I must admit it's
produced more than its share of aggravation.  But it's been a very
interesting 18 months, at any rate.
--
Raymond Chen (raymond@math.berkeley.edu)


From ts@uwasa.fi Fri Jul 12 08:54:59 1991
Subject: Re: Compliments on garbo
To: mccombs@sumax.seattleu.edu (Mike McCombs)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 91 8:54:59 EET DST
In-Reply-To: <9107120120.AA10070@sumax.seattleu.edu>; from "Mike McCombs" at Jul 11, 91 5:20 pm
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>
> I U/Led this file to L.A.W. BBS (Legal Access in Washington) locally and
> it is proving VERY popular - never met so many Q-Edit fans on a single
> board before. This is basically a lawyer and interested layperson BBS
> that is part of the growing expression of desire for electronic access
> to legal resources - a fast growing movement in the U.S. these days.
>
> The crowd up there has no Internet access and asked me to forward their
> thanks and compliments to you.
>
> And while I'm at it, I personally wish to thank you for the work you
> do with the news groups as well as that at garbo and U. Vaasa. It gives
> a tremendous credibility to the internationalization of the network.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Mc.

Hello Mike,
   This is very kind of you.  Thank you for the complimentary
feedback.  It is good to hear that our activities at University of
Vaasa are internationally appreciated.
   All the best, Timo

...................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous ftp archives 128.214.87.1
School of Business Studies, University of Vaasa, SF-65101, Finland
Internet: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Funet: gado::salmi Bitnet: salmi@finfun

From ts@uwasa.fi Fri Jul 12 09:08:08 1991
Subject: Re: Group for announcing FTP uploads
To: dmb@wam.umd.edu (David Baggett)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 91 9:08:08 EET DST
In-Reply-To: <9107112245.AA27393@cscwam.umd.edu>; from "David Baggett" at Jul 11, 91 6:45 pm
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>
> >Hi Dave,
> >   I am very pleased at your initiative to announce your upload at
> >garbo.  For the future please note, however, that
> >comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d is not a correct group but
> >comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives.  No harm done, but I thought I would
> >just inform you.
>
> Thanks for letting me know -- I hate making mistakes like that.
> There's nothing more annoying that seeing a post in the wrong group.  I
> checked out all the groups I thought might be relevant to see if they
> were appropriate but didn't think to look in ...pc.archives.  Now that
> you mention it ...pc.archives makes sense.  In fact, I thought that
> ...binaries.d served the purpose that I now know ...pc.archives serves,
> but stupidly didn't think to look in ...archives to see what was
> there.  Oops.

Don't worry.  The cbip.archives group is very new and came into
existence only the 23rd of June (1991).  In fact some sites are not
even getting it properly yet.  Earlier there was only one cbip
discussion subgroup, but the subjects were so varied logically that
it was voted that three separate discussion groups
  comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives
  comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d
  comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted
were needed.

> BTW, I did look in the FAQ for comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc, but didn't see a
> breakdown of the groups by function.  (Did I miss it?) Maybe it would
> help new posters (and those, like me, who have been on the net for
> years but have never ventured into the PC groups) if the FAQ contained
> a list like
>       comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc    Miscellaneous talk about PC's
>       comp.sys.ibm.pc.archives Discussion of stuff available for FTP
>       comp.binaries.ibm.pc    Moderated binaries group
>       comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d  Discussion _only_ of binaries posted to above
> etc.  Just a thought.

You are right, of course.  Obviously the three discussion groups are
too new to have made their way into the general consciousness.
Incidentally, I am not directly connected to the FAQ in c.s.i.p.m in
any way.  I maintain a downloadable FAQ file of my own (currently
/pc/ts/tsfaq21.arc).

> Dave

   All the best, Timo

...................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous ftp archives 128.214.87.1
School of Business Studies, University of Vaasa, SF-65101, Finland
Internet: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Funet: gado::salmi Bitnet: salmi@finfun


From ts@uwasa.fi Sat Jul 13 18:55:49 EET 1991
Article: 196 of comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives
Newsgroups: comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives
Path: uwasa.fi!ts
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Visiting the ZOO at 2:10
Message-ID: <1991Jul13.155510.18211@uwasa.fi>
Sender: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 91 15:55:10 GMT
Status: OR

Sat 13-Jul-91: I have been taking a look at the new zoo archiver
version 2.10 from Rahul Dhesi.  The impression is mostly favorable.
Zoo 2.10 is both a necessary and worth-while update for users of
MsDos archives.
   There has already been discussion (in comp.compression mainly)
about Zoo's compression performance versus the other archivers.  I
have, however, taken a different point, since unless the difference
in compressions is really significant (say up from 3% to 10%) these
comparisons are albeit very interesting but not highly important
from the end-user's point of view.
   Rumors always abound, but in the case of Zoo they were
particularly persistent.  If I am not mistaken the update was
continually supposed to be in the wings for a whole year and a half,
which is not a good policy even for freeware.  I am pleased that
v2.10 is now out of the bag.
   One of the highly redeeming features of Zoo has always been that
it is truly available for both MsDos and Unix from the same author.
On garbo.uwasa.fi, Vaasa, Finland, they are /pc/arcers/zoo210.exe
and /unix/arcers/zoo210.tar.Z, respectively.  True, there are Unix
versions for .arc, .lhz, and a beta test .zip (no .arj yet), but
these have been hacked together by other than the original authors,
obviously with more or less difficulties in getting the original
specifications.  (No disrespect meant for the excellent work done.
Just a recognition of the difficulties).
   In my opinion there were two major problems with the old 2.01
version of Zoo.  Its compression was significantly weaker that that
of the other main contenders.  This has been amply remedied and Zoo
is at least at a favorable good par with its contemporaries (as I
said small differences one way or the other are not decisive).
   The other problem with Zoo was (to me at least) that with the
exception of simple extraction, version 2.01 usage was prohibitively
difficult to figure out.  There is a clear improvement in the
documentation policy in this respect.  The self-documentation (zoo
H) is very useful, and makes it easier to figure out what can be
done even if the commands are the same (or similar?) than before.
For example, I found earlier the concept of deleted files bordering
impossible without the quick H reference.  (Scanning manuals back
and forth is not a realistic option when one uses many different
archivers regularly).  The new 2.10 H documentation is both concise
and comprehensive enough to alleviate these problems.  The commands
and options of Zoo still make a jungle, though, if you pardon the
pun.
   My general practice is that with very few exceptions, such as
Turbo Pascal, I use too many programs to have time to wade through
separate documents.  If a program does not give enough directions,
or is not easy enough to figure out, I'll use another program (or
write it myself).  Zoo 2.10 now passes this test where 2.01 failed.
   Incidentally, I tested no examples with file path options because
I consider them too specialized.  They are useful eg for backup
purposes, and such, but I feel that generally distributed packages
should not include file paths to confuse the users, whose
backgrounds and experience may vary widely.  Such added
complications just serve turn many users off.
   Being best familiar with PKWare products (pkpak and pkzip) I
figured out a couple of recurring tasks with pkzip and zoo.  (Zip is
the main method of compression at garbo archives).
                                      pkzip    zoo
Create/add/datestamp                  -a -o    ah:PP
                                               PEP
Update                                -u       unh:PP
Add archive comment                   -z       cA
List contents                         -vc      Vd

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Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous ftp archives 128.214.87.1
School of Business Studies, University of Vaasa, SF-65101, Finland
Internet: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Funet: gado::salmi Bitnet: salmi@finfun


From w8sdz@rigel.acs.oakland.edu Tue Jul 16 08:32:24 EET 1991
Article: 12170 of comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d
From: w8sdz@rigel.acs.oakland.edu (Keith Petersen)
Newsgroups: comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d
Subject: Re: Good comm. program needed...recommendations?
Date: 16 Jul 91 02:02:43 GMT
Organization: The SIMTEL20 Archives
Status: OR

jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe R. Doupnik) writes:
>Maybe it's time to remind new readers that MS-DOS Kermit v3.10, the
>current release, will do more than you want. Obtain it from the offical
>Columbia University archives via anonymous ftp to watsun.cc.columbia.edu
>and look in directory kermit/a.

And be prepared to spend a half hour trying to figure out what to
download.  I certainly wish Columbia would move forward into the
state of the art by distributing the complete MS-Kermit package for
users (source not included) as a ZIP file.  Every time there is a new
release one has to figure out which files to download in order to make
a complete package for users who don't need the source.

For those who prefer all that work done, WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
[192.88.110.20] or mirror site wuarchive.wustl.edu offers:

Directory PD1:<MSDOS.KERMIT>
 Filename   Type Length   Date    Description
==============================================
MSKER310.ZIP  B  216929  910320  MS-Kermit v3.10 comm pgm for IBM-compatibles

> Note that Kermit does, nor will, not use X/Y/Zmodem protocols.

It will if you get Chuck Forsberg's DSZ and add these macros to your
MSKERMIT.INI file.

define sx run dsz F port 2 sx \%1 \%2,define \%1,define \%2,
define rz run dsz F ha on port 2 pY129 rz -r
define sz run dsz F ha bo port 2 pY129 pB4096 sz \%1 \%2,define \%1,define \%2,
define t run dsz F ha on port 2 pY129 t -r

Ymodem isn't included in that example because I use Zmodem.  The first
line, however, is an Xmodem send macro.  Others can be added.  Why not
include a complete set in the next release?  You'll show users that
Kermit isn't limited to its own protocol.

Keith
--
Keith Petersen
Maintainer of the MSDOS, MISC and CP/M archives at SIMTEL20 [192.88.110.20]
Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil    or     w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu
Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz                          BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND


From ts@uwasa.fi Sun Jul 21 09:06:31 EET 1991
Article: 4104 of news.newusers.questions
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,news.newusers.questions
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Re: news articels in elm?
Keywords: news,elm
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Status: OR

In article <1991Jul20.131814.21002@unibi.uni-bielefeld.de> boris@math10.uni-bielefeld.de (Boris Hemkemeier) writes:
>In article <1991Jul17.162527.3199@chinet.chi.il.us> les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
>>If you have saved in mailbox format, you can tell elm to read it by
>>giving the name on the command line with elm -f folder or use the
>>'c' command after starting up to change folders.
>
>That was exactly my first idea. But elm says only "Folder is corrupt!! I
>cant read it!! ". So I hoped a netter has a patch or a filter to convert a
>news articel in a valid elm folder.
>
>Currently i mail articles to myself instead of saving . Not pretty, but it
>works.

The problem is with the first line of the saved posting, which elm
takes as the header.  The header must be in the exactly right
format, which you can see if you take a look at your .elm folders
using eg less.  Usually it is enough to use any editor to delete the
text "DST" (= Daylight Saving Time) from the header of the posting
you have saved.  After this change you (usually) can read the
message with elm, provided that you have initially saved it in
mailbox format.  In winter, the problem goes away to return next
spring.

...................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous ftp archives 128.214.87.1
School of Business Studies, University of Vaasa, SF-65101, Finland
Internet: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Funet: gado::salmi Bitnet: salmi@finfun


From ts@uwasa.fi Mon Jul 22 12:32:23 1991
Subject: Re: Pascal oriented editors?
To: MAGRW@Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 91 12:32:23 EET DST
In-Reply-To: <C2C0B50DBAA06804@Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au>; from "MAGRW@Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au" at Jul 22, 91 3:39 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

> I have been using my registered copy of Qedit version 2.1 for
> about a year now and I have no knowledge of any TP mode!
>
> Am I missing something? There is nothing in the documentation
> about any TP mode!

Yes, in fact I think you are.  It is true that there is not a mode
that is called TP mode in QEdit, but you can set it easily up
yourself.  Here are a few of the tricks.  Turn wrap mode off, turn
insert mode on, prepare a macro to compile the contents of the file
from within the editor (see /pc/ts/tsqed10.arc for details), utilize
the .pas default file extension, and so on.

> Your reply would be greatly appreciated.

No problem.  I am pleased to hear of fellow users.

> George Wiley
> University of South Australia
> Adelaide, Australia.

   All the best, Timo

...................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous ftp archives 128.214.87.1
School of Business Studies, University of Vaasa, SF-65101, Finland
Internet: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Funet: gado::salmi Bitnet: salmi@finfun

From netspec@zeus.unomaha.edu Mon Jul 22 12:37:54 EET 1991
Article: 12307 of comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d
From: netspec@zeus.unomaha.edu (Dan Kenny, Network Specialist/U of N-Omaha)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet,comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d,comp.os.msdos.misc
Subject: Re: Who pays for FTP (Was Re: List of Recommended PC (DOS) Archive sites Access)
Date: 20 Jul 91 19:21:19 GMT
Status: OR

In a previous article, tld@cosmos.bae.bellcore.com (Terry Davidson) writes:
>
> One question:  I've asked this before, and have received no response.
>
> Who pays for ftp?  Some uploads/downloads can take a *VERY* large amount of
> time; and this has to cost someone some hard cash - but who?  Is the login
> used to send bills to the company from where the call originated (some ftp
> may be anonymous, but modern UNIX systems can darned well get the info anyway,
> including the actual line/port/phone of the originating machine).
>
> I'd like answers to these questions, simply because (1) I have approximately
> 5 MB of shareware (DOS) utilities to upload to an ftp site for propagation,
> and (2) there are some GIF files out on the ftp sites I would like to ftp in.
>
> Whether or not I actually do this depends on how ftp is billed.
>

FTP (the file transfer protocol), NNTP (the protocol for the news service you
are reading), TELNET (the remote login protocol), SMTP (the mail protocol
you receive Internet mail through), and other protocol services in the TCP/IP
specification are made available to you courtesy of the educational system
in America.

Individual colleges, military sites, organizations and commercial sites
wire up their machines as a campus network. These networks join a consortium
of regional networks (like MIDnet for the midwest colleges, MILnet for the
military, etc) for a fee and if they are an educational institution, also
receive subsidization on the cost of connecting their campus networks to the
regional network through the National Science Foundation. Additionally, the
NSF foots the bill for the long-haul national network connecting the regional
networks in one giant internetwork. This long-haul network is built upon the
work of the military's Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPAnet)
in the 1970's and 1980's.

These resources are provided to the average Internet user virtually for
free, and are done so in the spirit of research and cooperation. Not everyone
in the world abscribes to the philosophy of the "bottom-line" business
mentality, and they recognize the value of open access to educational
resources in the quest for enhancing communication between educators,
researchers, students, businesses, organizations, and the community.

So to answer your question, we all pay - just like we all pay for open and
public access to the nation's highways, the open and public access to
community libraries, the open and public access to secondary schools, and
the open and public access to the state universities.

Individual sites on the Internet make services and resources available (like
disk space for anonymous FTP or the ARCHIE database service) out of the
spirit of this cooperation and belief that the greater benefit of increased
communication outweighs the per-unit-cost of a megabyte of disk storage or a
packet of network bandwidth. Usenet news feeds are traditionally provided as
a courtesy between educational institutions in this spirit also.

If you believe your 5 megs of utilities have educational value, by all means
upload them to an appropriate FTP site. If you believe that files you find on
an anonymous FTP will enhance your education, download them. Realize that the
mere act of communicating with someone on the Internet and exploring available
services has educational value.

Speaking as a student majoring in one of those science/technical and
engineering fields (Computer Science) that people keep worrying about due
to growing lack of interest from our youth,  I can assure you that the
educational benefit I have received through the cooperation of the Internet
community has been tremendous. Innovation is not dead in America, at least not
yet. We just need to properly recognize the value of long-term investment and
commitment to cooperation (whether that be in basic research & development,
educating ourselves, or in laying fiber to every household like Japan is
doing), regardless of short-term cost (or lack of profit). Remember the
technological fallout from the Apollo Moon program? We -all- foot the bill
for it, and we -all- (consumers, industry, education, military, and our
general competitiveness in the world) benefited from the cooperation and
technology-sharing of that national project.

Think of the Internet in the same fashion. I do.


Just my opinions,

Dan Kenny, Network Specialist : University of Nebraska-Omaha
netspec@zeus.unomaha.edu


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From: Keith Petersen <w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL>
To: comp-binaries-ibm-pc-d@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
Subject: SIMTEL20 upload announcements
Status: OR

NARA@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu writes:
> Recently I have been following the comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d There used
> to be a posting of the monthly uploads.  I have not seen such a
> posting for the month of June.

About 30 days ago there was a split in the newsgroups and two new
newsgroups were created.  If you cannot subscribe to them please
notify your system administrator.  Be sure to point out that no
binaries are posted to these newsgroups.  Some administrators have
elected not to add them because they thought the new newsgroups
would be posting large files.

    comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives   (for the announcements)
    comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted     (for user requests)

Keith
--
Keith Petersen
Maintainer of the MSDOS, MISC and CP/M archives at SIMTEL20 [192.88.110.20]
Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil    or     w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu
Uucp: uunet!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz              BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND

From ts@uwasa.fi Wed Jul 24 9:20:00 1991
Subject: Finding particular MsDos programs
To: where-is posers
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 91 9:20:00 EET DST
Status: OR

The standard method for looking for particular MsDos programs is to
get the file lists of common anonymous FTP sites like garbo.uwasa.fi
(European, in Finland) and SIMTEL20 (North American).  You should
get
   garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/INDEX
   WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL::PD1:<MSDOS.FILEDOCS>SIMIBM.ARC
respectively.  If you need the instructions for getting the
garbo.uwasa.fi file list you are welcome to email me for prerecoded
downloading instructions.  Material on these two sites and their
mirrors is available both by anonymous FTP, and mail server if you
do not have anonymous ftp.
   There is now also a special newsgroup for asking these where-is
questions.  It is comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted.  If your site is not
yet receiving it, please contact your own system manager about it.
   Furthermore, there is a system called archie at the McGill
University in Canada.  It keeps a list of where you can find
programs.  Useful in particular if you already know the file name.
To connect to archie use
       telnet quiche.cs.mcgill.ca
and the userid archie.  Then explore on from that point.  The only
snag with archie is that by necessity its information lags behind
the situation of at least for the most active anonymous ftp sites.

...................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous ftp archives 128.214.87.1
School of Business Studies, University of Vaasa, SF-65101, Finland
Internet: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Funet: gado::salmi Bitnet: salmi@finfun

From ts@uwasa.fi Thu Jul 25 09:05:52 1991
Subject: Re: Readmail
To: greg%turbo.atl.ga.us@mathcs.emory.edu (Greg Montgomery)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 91 9:05:52 EET DST
In-Reply-To: <uPLL61w164w@turbo.atl.ga.us>; from "Greg Montgomery" at Jul 24, 91 12:45 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

> I got a copy of your tsfaq22.arc off garbo, and I read the file
> readmail.inf about the readmail program. It said it was located in
> pc/comm, but in the index there is no such file. Has it been moved or
> renamed?
> Thanks..
> Greg
> ----
> Greg Montgomery -                                | Atlanta, Georgia, U.S.A
> Internet: greg@turbo.atl.ga.us                   | Home of the '96
> UUCP: {rutgers,ogcise,gatech}!emory!turbo!greg   | Olympics!

Hello Greg,
   Oh oh!  My mistake.  It is in the /pc/mail directory as
rmail401.zip.
   All the best, Timo

...................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous ftp archives 128.214.87.1
School of Business Studies, University of Vaasa, SF-65101, Finland
Internet: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Funet: gado::salmi Bitnet: salmi@finfun

From ts@uwasa.fi Sun Jul 28 08:33:47 1991
Subject: Re: UNIX tools for the PC ??
To: francis@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Francis Ho)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 91 8:33:47 EET DST
In-Reply-To: <9107280117.AA09106@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>; from "Francis Ho" at Jul 27, 91 9:17 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

> have you used the different unix packages?  I for one have been using the mks
> tools but I find that their compress is not very good.  I have the picnix but
> I find that their compress changes the file name (when you uncompress) and
> that you loose the last two chars.

No more than just to check the contents of the various packages and
make a few experiments.  This is because I learned MsDos before
Unix, and I don't therefore see any point (for me, that is) in using
the Unix-like tools on the PC except in very special cases where the
MsDos utilities won't do the work.  (For general information.  Users
will find most of our Unix oriented MsDos packages in the /pc/unix
directory).

> incidently, there was supposed to have zcat util too but I have yet to find
> it.  Do you know whether there is a zcat.exe ?

Perhaps not by that name, but /pc/unix/comp430d.zip should be able
to do what zcat does as far as I can judge.

   All the best, Timo

...................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous ftp archives 128.214.87.1
School of Business Studies, University of Vaasa, SF-65101, Finland
Internet: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Funet: gado::salmi Bitnet: salmi@finfun

From ts@uwasa.fi Thu Aug  1 20:59:41 1991
Subject: Re: Garbo policy questions
To: rchann@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (Robert Chann)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 91 20:59:41 EET DST
Cc: Garbo infolist
In-Reply-To: <9108011352.AA17289@bbcr.waterloo.edu>; from "Robert Chann" at Aug 1, 91 9:52 am
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> Prof. Salmi,
>
> I'm wondering if you could kindly answer the following questions for me:
>
> 1)  Are all the files that are available from garbo.uwasa.fi available on
>     wuarchive.wustl.edu as well?
>
> 2)  Is "inter-continental" ftp access not recommended?
>
> 3)  What are the suggested times for accessing garbo.uwasa.fi via ftp?
>
> Thanks very much!
>
> Robert Chann
> (rchann@ceb.mcmaster.ca)

Thank you for your query.  Your questions are of a general interest,
since they have often been put to me in one form or another.  You
put the questions exceptionally succinctly so I'll reply at some
length.

1) As far as I know with the exception of some games packages, and
some of our information files, SIMTEL20 has all files that are on
garbo.uwasa.fi.  Hence also wuarchive.wustl.edu should have them
because it runs a SIMTEL20 mirror.  The problem with mirrors is that
they may not always be quite up to date.

2) In my opinion there is no unambiguous answer to this question.
The official line I have adopted in this in accordance to Keith
Petersen's wish in collaboration with him is that the overseas link
should not be loaded with FTP (or mail server) requests lest there
be repercussions because of cost reasons.  I go along with this
line.
   There is, however, another, idealistic view to this issue that I
sometimes wish to bring up and enhance.  In brief, it is that we
live in a dawning era of true international communication where
barriers to the free flow of information should be coming down
rather than set up.  Being a pragmatist foremost I adhere to the
official line, but the futurist in me would like to see a true
emergence of the Luhanistic global electronic village without such
restrictions.  Living in a small country, which is not a as
self-supporting a society as the US, the promotion of the global
view is particularly near my heart.
   My official answer is "To avoid a load on the overseas link, use
a site near you".

3) The Finnish time zone is GMT +2.  In summer it is GMT +3 for the
daylight saving time.  The best hours, local Finnish time, are from
17:00 to 08:00 from our point of view.  Some juggling with the time
conversions is inevitable to interpret this.

...................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous ftp archives 128.214.87.1
School of Business Studies, University of Vaasa, SF-65101, Finland
Internet: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Funet: gado::salmi Bitnet: salmi@finfun


From ts@uwasa.fi Sat Aug  3 08:23:34 1991
Subject: Re: Cannot unzip a file (Was Re: Keyfake.zip in keyboard directory.)
To: ffujita@psych.uiuc.edu (Frank Fujita)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 91 8:23:34 EET DST
In-Reply-To: <9108030511.AA02347@s.psych.uiuc.edu>; from "Frank Fujita" at Aug 3, 91 12:11 am
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

> Ignore the newsgroups stuff, I just found an article with your name
> to reply to.  I ftp'd keyfake.zip from you garbo.uwasa.fi and then
> downloaded it to my pc.  When I tried to unzip it I got a title
> screen telling me about you and two other people and then a lot of
> warnings that pkunzip couldn't handle it.  I was using 1.02.  Do
> I need a new PKunzip?  Or is something wrong?  Sorry to bother you.
> Frank Fujita

   Usually (95-99% cases) these problems are due to the way the user
has transferred the files from us to host, or host to PC.  Most
often the user has failed to make the transfers binary.  Take a very
careful look at garbo.uwasa.fi prerecorded instructions, go over the
steps again assuring that you are going everything correctly, and
then contact me again if the problem persists.
   As to needing a more recent version than 1.02 to UNzip a package
that has been created with 1.10, I really do not remember how it is.
Whichever the case, I suggest that you start by getting the current
version /pc/arcers/pkz110eu.exe.  It is useful to have it anyway.
   All the best, Timo

...................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous ftp archives 128.214.87.1
School of Business Studies, University of Vaasa, SF-65101, Finland
Internet: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Funet: gado::salmi Bitnet: salmi@finfun

From ts@uwasa.fi Sun Aug  4 09:01:39 1991
Subject: Re: TSUTIL32
To: andyross@infopls.chi.il.us (Andrew Rossmann)
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 91 9:01:39 EET DST
Cc: w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Keith Petersen), hv (Harri Valkama)
In-Reply-To: <2Rw561w164w@infopls.chi.il.us>; from "Andrew Rossmann" at Aug 3, 91 9:58 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

>   A user here recently uploaded a copy of TSUTIL32.ZIP. I tried out your
> SYSINFO program (of course!) and noticed a minor problem. I'm running MSDOS
> 5.0. The drive is 211M, and is partitioned into two 105M drives.

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Drive = D:
> Label BBS-FILES created Su-09-06-1991 16:37:38
> Total space = 105041920, Free space =  67551232,   Cluster =  2048
> Interleave 83, Number of fats 2, Root directory capacity 1931
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   The first two lines of each are OK, but the third line contains junk.
> I'd hate to have disk with an 83 interleave!! :-)

Thanks for the feedback, Andrew.  I had noticed the same problem
myself, and since I could not find a remedy, the current version
(2.1) of my Sysinfo in /pc/ts/tsutil33.arc does not try to give the
interleave any more.  Instead it gives the number of cylinders on
the devices.  You can get tsutil33.arc from garbo.uwasa.fi or
SIMTEL20.  I noticed in a posting from you on the news that you do
not have FTP, but as you know both garbo and SIMTEL20 have mail
servers.  If you would like to have the garbo.uwasa.fi mail-server
instructions (long), I'll be happy to email them to you.

> Andrew Rossmann            | Sysop of Infoplus BBS, +1 708 537 0247
> andyross@infopls.chi.il.us | Infoplus Support, latest version available
>  uunet!infopls!andyross    | by logging in as infoplus.

   All the best, Timo

...................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous ftp archives 128.214.87.1
School of Business Studies, University of Vaasa, SF-65101, Finland
Internet: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Funet: gado::salmi Bitnet: salmi@finfun

From w8sdz@tacom-emh1.army.mil Mon Aug  5 08:35:19 1991
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From: Keith Petersen <w8sdz@tacom-emh1.army.mil>
Message-Id: <9108050531.AA04795@tacom-emh1.army.mil>
To: ts@uwasa.fi
Subject: Mail alias for Chuck Forsberg
Cc: caf@tacom-emh1.army.mil, w8sdz@tacom-emh1.army.mil
Status: OR

Timo, I noted that you were having a bit of trouble geting mail through
to Chuck Forsberg.  His Usenet News postings have omen.COM as his host
name but that name is not registered in the Internet Domain System (DNS).

I have added a mail alias here so you can send mail to an Internet
address and have it forwarded through a path that I know is working.
Chuck's address here is:

    caf@tacom-emh1.army.mil

That forwards to  omen!caf@reed.edu  but some mailers don't like mixed
bang paths and domain addresses.

Please feel free to pass on the new mail forwarding address as it
will make it easier for users to communicate with Chuck.  Maybe they
will do it by e-mail instead of posting it to the world.

--Keith

